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At 19:33:49 on 04.02.12, Diane Gifford wrote:
I have to agree with Strawberry here everyone! It isn't natural for a horse to jump from that far up. The only reason it may jump is if it is being chased by a predator and I feel it would rather charge the predator than jump.
Not only that but I also feel that "spectators" would get bored enough with it that they would demand "different" things to hype it up. Higher jumps, smaller pools etc. Give the horses a break! We make them do enough things that do not come naturally to them, don't start this up!
Anyone see War Horse? Great movie, but I think in real life Joey would not have survived the barbed wire. The barbed wire they used in wars is razor sharp. Not anything like the barbed wire they use for cattle. |
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At 00:59:19 on 06.02.12, SPRCapricorn98 wrote:
I have to disagree with you all as far as bringing horse diving back. I think it is an astounding sport and it is magnificent that both horse and rider can do that. This is not have as cruel or dangerous as horse racing or jumping.
The horse jumps from the platform with a skilled diver and rider on his back and dives into the water and everything about his attitude and expression says that he absolutely loves it. Can you tell me where, in an of those pictures and videos, did you see any of the horses acting as if they didn't like it? In all the years that the diving horse performed, not one was ever injured due to diving. The injuries were caused to the girls that rode the horses. If any of you should be saying that you don't want the diving horses to come back, it should not be because of animal cruelty, because the horses completely love it, but because of the risks that the riders take.
I want to point something out to you all: how on earth is this any more dangerous then trot racing, or gallop racing, or jumping? How many injuries have happened because a horse jumped wrong and broke it's neck or leg? Or when a horse bursts out of the starting gate at a race and busts it's knee or leg? Or when the trot racing horses are just going along and suddenly they go under and the cart flips over them sending the driver flying and the other horses run each other over? I would like to know how this sport is any worse then those three.
I am not against racing or jumping, in fact, I watch it occasionally and would thoroughly enjoy seeing a race live, and I would like to have my hand at jumping at some point in my life, but I am getting sick of all you people out there that say this and that about things that you just haven't had the chance to witness and enjoy for yourselves. I really get frustrated and irritated when people say things like you are saying about something when they don't even really know.
Animal activists say that this is animal cruelty, abuse, that it's against an animals' rights. I love horses, I love all animals, but I think that, if the horse enjoy it and wants to continue and shows no signs of dislike for what it's doing, then let it go, let it continue. The diving horses back in the 1920's to 70's loved what they did. They loved the attention, the adrenaline, they loved the pure fun of jumping from that platform into a pool with a rider on their back. They didn't protest in any of the pictures or videos, or from what the riders and caretakers said.
Personally, if I were a horse I would much rather be jumping from 40 feet into water instead of risking my life in a big group of other horses all running at top speed and trying to get to the same place first. If I were a professional rider I would much rather dive from a platform on a horse's back then ride in a race like the jockeys. I am not a professional rider, nor am I a horse, obviously, but I do not think that this sport is in any way "disgusting" "not good at all" or "against animals' rights."
Also, animals were put on earth to serve as companions, servants, transportation, and means of food for humans, they do not have "rights" like a human. They are happy doing what their masters think is right for them, as long as they are fed, groomed, loved, and healthy.
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At 04:11:26 on 07.02.12, noneotherthan01 wrote:
I couldn't agree more with SPRCapricorn98. I don't think it's cruel at all. No one said they were forcing these animals to do anything and only that would be cruel. Did any of you watch the video of Lightening the Jumping Horse?? No trap doors, prods, etc... just oats at the other side of the pool. Granted these horses may not have been treated with much more than loving pats by their riders at the end, but I don't think they would do it if they didn't like it. Notice they were given a limit on how many times a day they are allowed to jump?? Also agreed with SPRCapricorn98 that it is in an animals nature to please and no real "rights" are given. Rights are a rule of civilized societies and last I checked there is no such thing as a civil animal... Also agreed I love all animals and would never like to see one harmed... but I don't think "rights" is the right word. Maybe... humans have no right to harm an animal... but not... animals have a right to not be harmed. People do take things too seriously without a grain of salt... I'd say if the horse likes to jump, we shouldn't stop them. Would you stop your horse from playing with all the other horses just because "he might get hurt" and so you coop him up in a stall all day every day? Denying any life form of comfort is cruel to me...
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