At 00:35:54 on 30.11.11, JessAndGrenville123 wrote:
I don't clicker train i just use positive reinforcement by food when i am training from the ground, i use pressure and release when i ride. I do see the advantages of clicker training but don't see why someone would buy a clicker when saying 'good boy/girl' uses the same concept? Not saying it is wrong, i think it a good thing to use but i just use the good boy + treat method :)
At 11:25:22 on 30.11.11, smaarthorses wrote:
The click is more precise than the use of words. Plus, most people use good boy/girl often and forget that they need to only use it for treats. If that is the case then the horse will expect a treat every time they hear the words, which is not really a great thing especially when you have other people around the horse. it is also not great because the words will start to lose their meaning (association with the food) if not backed up with a treat.
So for the cost of a clicker, at under £2, it seems like a good option to make sure teh communication and meaning of the bridge (conditioned reinforcer) is clear, and stays clear.
At 22:14:07 on 30.11.11, JessAndGrenville123 wrote:
Its not tha price that bothers me just the faffing of buying one lol, my good boy works, he doesn't necisarily need or want the treat after because he got weaned of the treat and now 'good boy' is a reward in itself. Like i said i like clicker training, its just not for me :)
At 23:19:00 on 30.11.11, smaarthorses wrote:
The reinforcer of good boy is a conditioned reinforcer and to stay meaningful to the horse has to be backed up with a primary reinforcer.
If they don't want the treat then it tells you the conditioned reinforcer is no longer working as a secondary reinforcer.
Rather than wean them off the treat the behaviour should be shaped so that you get more, better, longer etc behaviour to earn the primary reinforcer.
Its a very powerful way to train when the learning theory is used to its best.
At 08:10:37 on 02.12.11, Flicka wrote:
I would really love to know more about clicker training, I know a friend has really got into it but I haven't had much time to talk to her about it. There's been research recently proving that horses learn better and remember the lesson for longer when food is used as a reward rather than a scritch or rub to say well done. Interesting to hear why you say the clicker is better than the voice and I can see that people sometimes aren't so careful about how they use their voices. Hence lots of people telling their horse it's a 'good boy' when it's spooking at something lol. At £2 they're certainly not expensive and I wouldn't call it a faff to get one! Is buying a whip or a pair of spurs seen as a faff? You only need to go to a pet shop to get one.
At 09:49:31 on 02.12.11, NMH wrote:
I think part of the point about clickers is that, once the animal is conditioned to associate the sound with a food reward, the sound is SO immediate that it can be used to 'shape' your training far more accurately than a rub/food reward/voice (all of which take time &/or interrupt whatever actual training you are doing). I used one for a bit on a previous horse & can see the point.
At 20:10:28 on 02.12.11, smaarthorses wrote:
**I would really love to know more about clicker training**
I have a blog that you might be interested in reading, and I also teach clinics/lessons throughout the UK.
Clicker training is only called that because we use a clicker. Its quite simply positive reinforcement training and every species has been proven to respond better to positive reinforcement (even humans). It has been deemed by the man who defined operant conditioning (BF Skinner) as the most effective and ethical way to train.
I'm more than happy to answer any questions you have about clicker training :-) just send them on.
At 23:26:40 on 02.12.11, JessAndGrenville123 wrote:
Yes it is flicka lol, i rarely buy new things except feed and when i do i buy months and months worth so i don't have to go back for more lol, i broke my whip and borrowed my friends until i could be bothered to go (which was about a year after i broke the first one lmao) i don't like going to buy things cos i would rather be at the farm with grenville :) i am one of those minimalist people :)
At 23:38:44 on 02.12.11, JessAndGrenville123 wrote:
btw that horse is lush lol i love cremalos (however you spell it)
