At 10:02:06 on 07.02.10, mediclotte wrote:
At 20:22:27 on 06.02.10, mediclotte wrote: hi was hoping would find some other owners who horses have this condition.we have a full up 17.2hh ex racer who is 7.we saved him from being starved to death by a teenager who had never had any experience other than ponies and was advised to have him pts as was in such poor health and didn't pass flexion test.having put our faith in goliathe and a fair bit if tlc and research we found out by chance that he had this condition..has has very gradually over two years come back to life but has come to a stand still and is a bugger for napping since had winter off..any advice suggestions etc would be great.. all our horses are un shod un rugged and live out 24/7 they have pleanty of shelters and an open stable but prefer to live it and are big furry and happy thanks for reading charlotte

At 22:18:50 on 16.02.10, HorseVet wrote:
Hi Charlotte There could be multiple reasons for napping. There's no point in guessing! I'd need to see what's going on to narrow down the options. Best wishes HorseVet
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At 23:19:02 on 18.02.10, Freva wrote:
Hi, We had a 7 year old AQHA mare that we had offered for sale as broodmare only. A potential buyer had a vet check done and she tested positive for ESPM. She seemed perfectly healthy and until that point I had no knowledge of the disorder. In fact, we had a second test done just to be sure. We were told that it is usually a genetic disorder so rather than pass the condition on we found her a companion situation and have a written contract that she will never be bred. 3 years after the orginal diagnosis, the mare still is showing no symptoms but her levels have continued to remain high. At what age do noticable symptoms appear?

At 15:44:11 on 27.02.10, csherrenbrueck wrote:
What is ESPM? I have not heard of it before and I'm really curious to what it is etc.

At 18:05:11 on 27.02.10, Freva wrote:
Sorry I made a tpying error in my prior post. EPSM stands for Equine Polysaccharide Storage Myopathy. We only found that the mare that we owned had the disorder during a routine vet check when we offered her for sale. From my understanding, from what the vet told us, was that it is a genetic disorder ,usually found in heavier draft breeds but also seen in AQHA and occasionally TB due to their heavier muscling. They do not break grains down properly and therefore their muscles do not receive the energy they need to remain healthy. Horses with EPSM sometimes exhibit tying of muscles, stiffened gaits or muscle loss. The mare we owned showed none of these and still has no visiable problems so I was also hoping some other members might have more insight as well.

At 18:37:44 on 27.02.10, dolly wrote:
Im wondering how do you test a horse for that.I have never heard of it before

At 07:41:21 on 28.02.10, mediclotte wrote:
hi thanks everyone for comments dolly the only definative way to test is through a muscle biopsy..but we didn't want the local vet involved as he is bloody hopeless..so we gradually cut out grain from our horses feed and gave a high oil/fibre diet and the difference was un real.we now feed all of them the same food and they have over wintered outside 24/7 un rugged and the epsm case is still improving.. there is a vet in the states, beth valentine that has some great reading online..hope that helps a little

At 22:28:34 on 01.03.10, HorseVet wrote:
Hi. Horses do not need grains to get sufficient energy - it's the big myth propagated by feed companies. My recommendation would be to check out Simple System feeds and get onto that asap. It's usually cheaper too. I know horses that do 100 mile endurance on it. Best wishes HorseVet
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At 22:36:25 on 01.03.10, mediclotte wrote:
from my advice simple systems works out far more pricey..thry are jumping on band waggon..you can get far cheaper basic products our feeding system working realy well the gelding went down hill and so did bank balance on simple system...rec from barefoot trimmer who had no qualifications and was on back hander

At 14:54:07 on 09.03.10, HorseVet wrote:
I don't think Simple System are jumping on any bandwagon they didn't start. In my experience the Lucerne nuts work out cheaper than most mixes I've seen and don't have the additives and grains etc. If you buy lots of additional products on top it will obviously cost more. I have no doubt that straights can be sourced at a good price too but the idea behind Simple System is to feed the hind gut and cut out the unnatural grains, pulses, sugars and other inappropriate ingredients often used in more commercial feeds. Of course feed on it's own is only one aspect of care and other things such as teeth, worming etc also need to be addressed. For the record I get no back-handers from anybody. Best wishes HorseVet
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